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TICA Registration Breeder Issue

nickandkristi

Savannah Super Cat
#1
Nick and I adopted our beautiful F5 Savannah, Lyra, from a breeder in California on 11/02/2012. During the process of having Lyra flown to us to New York from California, the breeder was great with corresponding and keeping us up to date on everything.

Per our agreement with our breeder, we had Lyra spayed on 12/14/2012. She had advised us that once we provided the proper paperwork to her, showing that Lyra had been spayed, she would provide us with the TICA Blue Slip, so we could registre Lyra as our kitten.

After providing the proper paperwork to the breeder, she forwarded us a copy of a litter registration she submitted online with TICA that still needed to be processed by TICA. This was on 12/20/2012. To date, she has not answered any of our correspondence, inquiring about the status of the Blue Slip.

I took it upon myself to call TICA on 02/07/2013 and was advised that TICA is also trying to contact the breeder, but have not been able to reach her. There was an issue with the payment when she submitted the litter registration. I advised TICA my concerns with having Lyra registered, since we live in New York and there are strict hybrid laws. They advised me that we would be unable to obtain the litter registration directly from them, unless our breeder authorizes it.

Does anyone have any suggestions for us? We never want to have an issue with New York State and our baby kitten :(
 

John Popp

Site Supporter
#2
I would craft a registered letter to send to the breeder that in absence of consent for remedy with the TICA it will be followed by a default judgement as statement of fact as to the origins and classification of your Savannah. You will of course need to spell out exactly what that is as prescribed on the TICA application. A 30 day window for compliance and although the TICA may not accept that as validation, you have the ball rolling if you need to seek further remedy. It also serves as something to appease the local authorities if you run into issues, at least temporarily.

I'm certainly not a lawyer, but I've had to mess with this type of thing before. Sometimes the letter gets returned and you just need to send it out in the regular mail, and sometimes the other party just moves on what they were supposed to do in the first place.

Compliance with a statement of fact and their remedy does not remove future legal recourse, just gets the ball rolling. At least you have the info to try and get things resolved with TICA. It's important for the breeder to know this even if you don't plan on taking further action. Small claims court would be pretty easy to get a real default judgement with, but I never had to go that far and just got the other party to move off their ass before I needed to go all spider monkey on them.

Hope that helps.
 

Brigitte Cowell

Moderator
Staff member
#3
So very frustrating to hear the issue is one of payment when it only costs $13 to register a litter...

How have you tried contacting the breeder? If only email, I'd try the phone. If you've already tried both, then as suggested a registered letter, one that requires a signature, is a good way to make sure she had received your plea.

If you fail to get any response, please email me privately...
 

nickandkristi

Savannah Super Cat
#4
Thank you both for the great advise.

Brigitte, I have e-mailed her from three different e-mail accounts, just in case for some crazy reason one didn't send. I also messaged her on Facebook. I have yet to call her. If I do not hear anythingJOhn from her by Wednesday of this week, I will call her.

John, I really appreciate the information. As both you and Bridgitte mentioned, the certified letter sounds like an avenue I am, unfortunately, going to have to take, unless she answers my call and follows through.

I will update my progress. Thank you both. And, Brigitte, I may just need to take you up on the private e-mail if need be :).
 

John Popp

Site Supporter
#5
Sorry, it totally sucks having to deal with that crap. Hopefully they can respond with some sort of good faith letter that gets you the interim documentation needed or better yet satisfies TICA and lets you just handle the fee. $13 and a registered letter would be an easy out. Hope it all works out.
 

admin

Paige
Staff member
#6
Kristi, Kristine is the TICA Regional director for the Southwest region, which includes California and may be able to help you as well...she is a member here and you may want to message her...
 

Sue

Savannah Super Cat
#7
I could not get the registration paperwork out of my breeder either. According to the TICA web site, they suggest trying to work with the breed club, and regional directors. I contacted Patrick Kelly, he put me in touch with Kristine Alessio. She was not my regional director , in fact I don't think she was a regional director at that time. I mailed copies of my documents to her and she offered some suggestions. I tried working with the 2 regional directors over a 2 year period. The TICA website says that in extreme situations ( death of breeder) as an example, that they sometimes will release the paperwork. After 2 years of trying, the breeder moved, changed phone numbers, would not respond to phone calls, emails, breeders web site disappeared , and would not respond to regional director attempts. Since I was able to provide TICA with date of birth, name of sire, name of dam and the above information, ( litter had been registered, but only 1 of 7 kittens had been registered), they finally agreed that for all practical purposes , this breeder was "dead" and sent the blue slip to me. I got Tink registered. You should not have to, but I would even offer to pay the litter registration fee if necessary, in order to get the blue slip if I were you. Hope these suggestions help. Sue
 
#8
I could not get the registration paperwork out of my breeder either. According to the TICA web site, they suggest trying to work with the breed club, and regional directors. I contacted Patrick Kelly, he put me in touch with Kristine Alessio. She was not my regional director , in fact I don't think she was a regional director at that time. I mailed copies of my documents to her and she offered some suggestions. I tried working with the 2 regional directors over a 2 year period. The TICA website says that in extreme situations ( death of breeder) as an example, that they sometimes will release the paperwork. After 2 years of trying, the breeder moved, changed phone numbers, would not respond to phone calls, emails, breeders web site disappeared , and would not respond to regional director attempts. Since I was able to provide TICA with date of birth, name of sire, name of dam and the above information, ( litter had been registered, but only 1 of 7 kittens had been registered), they finally agreed that for all practical purposes , this breeder was "dead" and sent the blue slip to me. I got Tink registered. You should not have to, but I would even offer to pay the litter registration fee if necessary, in order to get the blue slip if I were you. Hope these suggestions help. Sue
Yay! I remember your case. Yes, with PET kittens, and in extreme situations TICA will work to get you papers.
 
#9
Nick and I adopted our beautiful F5 Savannah, Lyra, from a breeder in California on 11/02/2012. During the process of having Lyra flown to us to New York from California, the breeder was great with corresponding and keeping us up to date on everything.

Per our agreement with our breeder, we had Lyra spayed on 12/14/2012. She had advised us that once we provided the proper paperwork to her, showing that Lyra had been spayed, she would provide us with the TICA Blue Slip, so we could registre Lyra as our kitten.

After providing the proper paperwork to the breeder, she forwarded us a copy of a litter registration she submitted online with TICA that still needed to be processed by TICA. This was on 12/20/2012. To date, she has not answered any of our correspondence, inquiring about the status of the Blue Slip.

I took it upon myself to call TICA on 02/07/2013 and was advised that TICA is also trying to contact the breeder, but have not been able to reach her. There was an issue with the payment when she submitted the litter registration. I advised TICA my concerns with having Lyra registered, since we live in New York and there are strict hybrid laws. They advised me that we would be unable to obtain the litter registration directly from them, unless our breeder authorizes it.

Does anyone have any suggestions for us? We never want to have an issue with New York State and our baby kitten :(
Work with your TICA Regional Director. If the breeder you purchased your kitten from is from S.Cal, that would be me. If N.Cal, that would be Jay Bangle (jay@bangles.com). Also, do you recall who you spoke to at TICA?
 

SV Dad

Savannah Super Cat
#10
I could not get the registration paperwork out of my breeder either...........e
I was wondering when you were going to chime in. This sounded a lot like your situation. I was about to call you to let you know this problem showed up. :)