Does a big baby savannah determine size in adulthood

[The Kasbah]

Yep. Doesn't help with the (sometimes ignorant) public perception and bans to call them cubs.

Exactly. Sadly certain Breeders refuse to acknowledge any of this and their continual use of the inappropriate term "CUBS" serves to place our Breed in the cross hairs of AR folks and serve them up on a silver platter for more ridiculous ban laws. Totally irresponsible...no other way of looking at it really.

 

[Charley]

My F7sbt was not held back for breeding but his brother the "alpha" was and I'm not sure how big the brother got but Jengo is currently 18lbs - 2 of which he needs to lose because a certain mommy catered to his finicky eating habits meanwhile he would eat the food he "detested." He's not an F1 size but for us we are happy with our big, mouthy baby. Conversely friends of ours have an F3C and he's soooo tiny! Our new F5B is teeny too - compared to Jengo anyway. The F5 is right around 8.5 lbs at 1 year. Jengo was around 10-11 at that age. They do keep growing, I can attest to that. Jengo looked like an average cat at 7 months, nothing kittenish about him but he got bigger (and wider-teehee)

Now personality wise our F5 is very "wild" and crazy our F7 is much more mellow (I can't believe I called him mellow but in comparison...)

 

[Jacq]

Okay, in the spirit of this discussion of genetics and size, why then are male F2s (generally speaking) LARGER than male F1s? This doesn't make sense to me at all.

 

[Patti]

Okay, in the spirit of this discussion of genetics and size, why then are male F2s (generally speaking) LARGER than male F1s? This doesn't make sense to me at all.

Generally speaking, they're not.

 

[Jacq]

In my experience with F1 males they are. The biggest cats that I have heard about are F2s. Unless the F1 is HP.

 

[admin]

Yes but we don't know all the f2s out there....I would say that most f1s are larger than f2s

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[The Kasbah]

In my experience, Jacqui is correct. Over the years I have produced hundreds of F2 kittens and at maturity, they almost ALWAYS end up larger than any of our F1 cats. It is a very curious phenomena and one that has long been debated on many of the Breeder forums.

Just to be clear, I am NOT claiming that we produce MASSIVE F2s. On average, kittens from our Breeding average 17-24 pounds at adulthood, which IS in contrast to our adult F1s, none of which weigh more than 20 pounds as adults. Ravi (Jacqui's F2 boy) is an usually large F2, no question about it...and IS massive by anyone's standards!

 

[Patti]

That's very interesting Cynthia, and certainly not what I've seen in my breeding program - are you referring to females in the above? We know that males will in general get larger than females so wondering if we are comparing apples to oranges. Also, I have a couple of massive F1 females (as well as a couple of 'normal sized' F1s) and either of them weigh 20lbs. I have never found weight to be a valid measure of a Savannah's size.

 

[The Kasbah]

Yes, I am referring to both males and females. I have had a few F2 females in the 14 pound range as adults, but more often than not they are in the same range I stated previously. I have also had a few males tip the scales at 28 pounds, but again, this is NOT the average!