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F2B Male size?

Cathouse1

Site Supporter
Have you ever owned a cat before? May want to get your basic training with a F3 or F4 may be a good idea and a better starting point.

Loki was 20# at 12-14 months, a very stubborn time period for a F2. I handled a 125# Rottweiler as a 12 year old with more confidence than I did with Loki sometimes. "Handful" just doesn't describe it. Pound for pound their strength is incredible, combined with the persistence of a badger, and curiosity like a ....cat, it's definitely an experience. Noticeable difference in gracefulness between him and our F5. Bull in a China shop is about right.

At 6 months he was opening doors, at 8 months he was operating the lock, and now he changes the wireless password when he's feeling spiteful.
 
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Elf

Savannah Super Cat
I have to back up what Brigitte said. My 23lb F1 was much more of a nightmare when it came to dealing with his health issues than either of my 100lb+ wolf hybrids were. lol My cat could run nearly 40mph in the house, jump on the fridge with ease and open any door, drawer or closet that did not have a deadbolt. He ended up having severe health issues and having to treat him was, um, challenging at times. My little F3 girls are at least easier to catch. (But of course, I am contemplating an F2 boy now as well. So I guess I am a glutton for punishment!)
 

WitchyWoman

Admin
Staff member
Also - one of the breeders I've been looking at has an F1 female who is supposedly 80% (She is f1 x Serval) and looks very Serval like, would an F2b from this female (apose to a female who is say 50%) provide me with a larger more Serval like cat?
You've already received good info from others but there are a few more things I'd like to emphasize. There's "serval-like" in looks, "serval-like" in size, and "serval-like" in personality. If you manage to hit the jackpot and get the golden triad of a servally looking, large Savannah with a serval-like personality you really really really need to understand how that can impact your life. It's better to approach the purchase of an SV from the perspective that all the negative traits possible in a cat may come with yours and how will you handle that.

Servals tend to bond to 1 or 2 humans and show their love and appreciation by peeing all over their humans and their habitat. They can't be left with just anyone if you want a vacation. If you tire of the responsibility, rehoming comes with a whole bushel full of issues.

Higher percentage SVs may exhibit all or some of those traits to lesser or same degree. A lot depends on the ethics of the breeder, how the cats are raised, and personality of the cat.

Here's my experience:

F1 male, 27 lbs. (serval looks, size, and personality) -- I'm his #1 human. He tolerates my husband and some visitors to the home. Occasionally I have to put him in a room when visitors come who he doesn't like as he will challenge them. When he likes people he is a sweet purring heat butting machine; when he doesn't like them, he is a hissing, slapping, defensive, scary animal. I can administer meds to him and touch him everywhere. He is calm and easy for me to handle. No one else can touch him the same way. He has to be anesthetized for every single vet visit -- thankfully only for his yearly exams so far -- because he is too difficult for them to handle. In my state, rabies vaccines are not seen as effective in Savannahs so they are not required. All of my SVs are indoor cats and their potential exposure to rabies is minimal. If they bite someone, my vet has said they would be immediately euthanized. Even if they've been given the vaccine, they'd be killed. That's something to think about if you're state is the same. So that's why 3 of my 4 SVs are anesthetized for vet visits. It also protects both the staff and cat from inadvertent injury.

I introduced him to our cat sitter the first week he was home. He likes her but when we are away too long, say 2 week or more, he will start to test her and she has learned how to handle it, but she is a bit afraid of him when he acts up. He has knocked her down a few times during play -- not maliciously, but because he's so darn large and strong. If you intend to ever leave home for a day or more you'll need to introduce your cat sitter early on.

F2 male, 22 lbs. -- He wasn't properly socialized by his breeder and it took 3 years of hard work for me to be able to pet him without being injured. He is a cat's cat and prefers their company over humans. I cannot, after nearly 9 years, pick him up. He won't let me handle him to medicate him. I'm not willing to endure deep bites and scratches over a long period of time, so there will be no treatment for him if he becomes chronically or seriously ill and that is a worry I live with daily.

F2 male 17 lbs. -- Loves everyone. Difficult to medicate but the level of injuries possible are not as great as with the other F2 because he exercises self-control with me. Even at 17 lbs, he is so strong that the vet wants him asleep for exams.

F6 male 11 lbs. -- Easiest to handle simply because of his size but he is the biggest trouble maker. He becomes a wimp at the vet's and as long as I hold him, rather than a vet tech, he doesn't have to be anesthetized. He has territorial aggression and attacks the other cats if a neighborhood cat happens to come round our house. He also hates the 22 lb F2. To keep peace in the house, the F6 is on a daily dose of Prozac.

So there you have it -- some examples of challenges you may face regardless of size or generation. If size is all you want, a Maine Coon is a better choice. You'll get the awesome SV personality regardless of generation and the size factor lends a whole other aspect to living with these cats.

For a taste of what it's like living with a high gen SV, read The Atticus Diaries http://www.savannahcatchat.com/threads/the-atticus-diaries.4428/ My 17 lb F2 exhibits the same traits as my F1 but the F2 is more stubborn.
 

Erin91390

Savannah Kitten
My F3C female is also A LOT of cat! But I knew what i signed up for, and did my research for about a year, and I couldn’t be happier with what i turned out with. She’s getting to be a big girl (not fat, just big!) she’s about 15 months and she’s around 14 pounds. We play ALL the time- and she’s super affectionate with me- head butts, purring, snuggle sessions, and literally RUNS to come up and greet me when she hears my voice. She loves my boyfriend as well, ironically listens to him a lot more than me, and will occasionally snuggle with him if I’m not home LOL, but i am 100% her “person”! Although even friends/family members that we have over our house 2/3 times a week, she’s still hesitant to let anyone else pet her (she will play with other people, but gets a little nervous about petting.). So that might be something to consider with an F2 if you have a busy household. She is SUPER smart. She catches onto everything, learns words, and follows me around just as the dog does.

From what I’ve read, F2’s and F1’s strongly bond to 1 or 2 people, and the rest of the people they interact with they will go either way with. I’ve also heard of very small F2’s, and very large F2’s, so I’m assuming that size is just part of the package. What you should really be looking into is the kind of companion you want for yourself, regardless of how big they get! Best of luck in your searches.


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John Popp

Site Supporter
You've already received good info from others but there are a few more things I'd like to emphasize. There's "serval-like" in looks, "serval-like" in size, and "serval-like" in personality. If you manage to hit the jackpot and get the golden triad of a servally looking, large Savannah with a serval-like personality you really really really need to understand how that can impact your life. It's better to approach the purchase of an SV from the perspective that all the negative traits possible in a cat may come with yours and how will you handle that.

Witchy, I really appreciate that you took the time to share your living with Savannah's perspective. I don't think about it much, but our home is also filled with a lot of life altering things. With our youngest f1 and his daily medication needs there are really only 3 people that can handle it, my wife, my sister and I. It's a heavy lift as there is only a 6 hour window for sleep if you go to work each day. Then as you mentioned, not like he can be boarded or even have a vet handle him.

With our older f1 boy after surgery and complications, I needed to travel to feed him and get meds in him every 6 hours. I ended up staying in a hotel near the specialist veterinary hospital as I was getting crushed with the driving each day and multiple 2 hour round trips. Laying half in his crate giving him meds and feeding him by hand when he didn't want to eat was a huge challenge. Making it worse was he wasn't going to let anyone else near him.

So 4 years now without a vacation together with my wife. We have figured out the only hope for us traveling together is if the boys go for the ride. That's a heavy lift, no air travel and loads of extra logistics to make it happen. Lots of horror stories on that front too, as crating and dealing with traveling cats in public spaces can be a nightmare in a hurry.

Love my boys with all of my heart, and despite the unexpected life changes, I would never give them up.
 
Some ppl have told me that their F2's have been more difficult than their F1's. That's difficult for me to understand. Yet, I can't even get my head around understanding the way the different letters behind the numbers are determined. I am interested in one that looks the most like a Serval, but definitely not the most feral like. It's very confusing to me. For the gentleman with the Savannah with the severe health issues, gosh, that is very difficult sounding. I honestly don't know how you're doing it and greatly admire your devotion. I am terribly sorry for this unusual situation you're in and have never heard of something this hard. :(

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Patti

Admin
Staff member
No worries, it happens. Good luck in your search for a Savannah. There is a thread with reputable breeders listed on this forum, if you haven't already you might want to take a look there and reach out to some of them to see if they have what you're looking for.
 

F7Echo

Savannah Teenager
I have an F7 Male and he weighs 16lbs and is still growing. 1yr old. He is long.
 

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