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Sunny

Loyal Servant
There's an answer to this with science, provided that you're able to provide genetic material and understand the same make-up of the parents you're using to breed on the likelihood of having dominant/recessive genes that do affect height, weight, bone, musculature, health, development, ad nauseum.

It's easy to say that this is individual and random just like it is with people because we haven't done the medical research. I don't know of any breeder that does, maybe A1 and even then it's not guaranteed. And TBH, if you want a kitten of a certain look and size the only correct answer (just my opinion) is to start your own breeding program focused on these things and invest in the medical research to shorten the number of matings required. It's already an enormous investment in time and money and to add in the science piece is something most breeders won't be doing unless they are vets with much easier (and abundant) access to labs and resources.

I know I'm kind of preaching to the choir and saying the same things but visitors might lack the perspective on the amount of effort to breed for size and musculature. 10 years ago we thought mapping the human genome was going to be impossible and we've succeeded. The 2% variance from the chimpanzee contains a hell of a lot of evolutionary changes, don't you think? So the catch is to find that breeder who repeats breeding and a higher likelihood for traits you want and sticking your name on the waiting list because it's a heck of a lot cheaper than your own program for similar chances at success of breeding your own kittens multiple times.

I was wait listed and it could have been a year before I'd get a male F2 and I was forced to evaluate what was best for my household not just my own needs. That's what led me on a search for a certain personality and traits regardless of gender and generation that connected me with Isis and getting a cuddly wuddly (possibly big) F2 male is less important than a healthy, happy household.

Edit: I'd actually be in favor of a an F1 out cross with a DSH or Maine Coon than SV to SV because the likelihood of passing on strong musculature, length and good health is higher even though these cats are further away from the breed standard.
 

Brigitte Cowell

Moderator
Staff member
Not sure why you think a Maine Coon is going to deliver more "health" to an F1 than a Savannah mom? Maine Coons need to be screened as they have a genetic propensity to HCM after all! Many SV queens could easily have a more diverse gene pool behind them, given the outcrossing used in our breed... hence healthwise a later generation SV queen might be the best choice if you are thinking of health considerations.

There are not too many breeders focusing on size, to many of us having a big cat doesn't so much say Serval as a tall elegant bodied cat with big upright ears etc. The proportions are more important. Many of the ones held up for admiration as "BIG" tend to be chunky in build and sturdy in leg...not what I think of when I see a picture of a Serval...
 

Sunny

Loyal Servant
I wasn't aware of needing HCM screening, yeah that is a concern. Having a diverse gene pool is great thing, but for those obsessed with big cats, there's a more direct path with a program focused on it. I agree with you the SV is about those graceful proportions. I think that's what tends to confuse people when they start asking about weight and not how it's carried.

My brother said, watching Isis walk towards him like a little panther with the ball clenched in her jaws for the next toss is what makes this little SV girl special and grow up to be a remarkable cat. Some people will never get that distinction.
 

John Popp

Site Supporter
Hmmm, although there are a lot of things I used to describe the lineage in our first Savannah, this picture probably describes it better than all the words I could muster.

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John Popp

Site Supporter
Yes, they are definitely crazed.

My apologies about the hijack, just confounded about how we got from questions about a wiki-like definition of a Savannah to a discussion of genetics.
 

SV Dad

Savannah Super Cat
Hey, another thread was asking about a humor thread.... and I'm sure that family crest captures about 90% of the cats on this board. (Louie? That look familiar to you?)
So back to topic...
When I started researching this breed, I found it curious that the previously quoted "breed description" was essentially paraphrased all over the internet.
Thinking about it, maybe an opportunity is presenting itself. From what I understand, we essentially have the TICA breed committee right here on this site.
As I am sure those folks have a lot to do, perhaps a thread can be started to discuss formulating an accurate assessment and descriptor. I know there is an official breed description, but I am talking about realistic expectations for an inquiring person. Might be a good "sticky" for this site, as I think this is probably the best site on the planet for information and assistance for Savannahs.
Many of us found this breed because we "thought" we would get a big spotted cat. And as one poster mentioned, we bought, then did our homework, afterward. And then we find out how wonderful their temperament and personality are the true finer traits of the breed.
Kick it around?
 
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