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Cat relationships, dominance, submissiveness and what is normal?

Ditto Girl 2019

Savannah Super Cat
I think I could make some suggestions and direct you to some cat enclosure groups on facebook so you could find a way to put together an inexpensive, strong, portable enclosure for your porch. In the meantime making your cats wear a harness and leash when out there would be a lot safer. Unfortunately 2 cats on leashes require constant 100% almost humanly impossible eyes on supervision.So it is far from ideal.

Both me and my cats are very very lucky to live where I do, and sorry for you and anyone else who has to deal with congestion and rude people..:(
That is an idea about the portable enclosure. I have seen those and at least that would provide the outdoors for both! Thank you for your suggestion!
 

Moggieslegacy

Savannah Super Cat
Sorry to jump to conclusions about the cooked bone. I have just read a lot of warnings about this but I really don’t know... I used to feed a ready made raw patty which was just mush, and had fine ground bone in it and there was a warning on the package that cooking it could be dangerous. Maybe erring on the side of caution, but I would want to do some research...

I did take some pictures to share some things I figured out building all my cat containment that might give some ideas about creating a strong but easily removed covering for your porch, but now I need to figure out what thread to post them in. Maybe I will post this somewhere here later today.

Many people recommend cat wheels, but I have no experience with these.

Many people also find taking their cat out for leash walks can help them be happy, but after seeing HB get so addicted, I am not sure I would do this again with another cat. I only took WC out on a leash maybe once a month, just enough that if he ever got out accidentally he would at least have a bit of an idea where he was and how to get back in. I really did not want 2 cats longing to be outdoors!
 

Ditto Girl 2019

Savannah Super Cat
That is an idea about the portable enclosure. I have seen those and at least that would provide the outdoors for both! Thank you for your suggestion!
Yes please recommend some FB folks. How do you graduate your cat to walking on a leash? I have a harness and leash but Ditto does the typical flop to the ground Im not moving thing. I am guessing baby steps. Thank you Moffiesnewmom~
 

Moggieslegacy

Savannah Super Cat
They both quickly figured out the walking jacket meant we were going out and begin purring as soon as they get suited up. They like going out so the initial awkwardness just seemed their balance was thrown off. But it maybe their breeders got them used to wearing stuff before they came to me?
 

Ninja-n-Bear

Site Supporter
We got a small cat wheel six months ago, figured we’d see if they used it before buying a really nice, big one. Our smallest cat adores it, and it has taken his need to attack everything in the house down a few notches. Our largest also adores it, but has difficulty with the size, and has taken to napping on it. :roflmao:
 

Ditto Girl 2019

Savannah Super Cat
They both quickly figured out the walking jacket meant we were going out and begin purring as soon as they get suited up. They like going out so the initial awkwardness just seemed their balance was thrown off. But it maybe their breeders got them used to wearing stuff before they came to me?
They both quickly figured out the walking jacket meant we were going out and begin purring as soon as they get suited up. They like going out so the initial awkwardness just seemed their balance was thrown off. But it maybe their breeders got them used to wearing stuff before they came to me?
That is so cute - the "walking jacket". I am leaning in that direction but I hesitate because of the possiblity of Ditto getting fleas. I do not want to put any of that flea repellant on either of my cats and am lucky that as long as I have had my 14 yr old Fang - never had an issue with fleas and he at one time was an indoor/outdoor kitty. Do you use that repellant? Which one do you use? Have a great kitty kat day!
 

Ditto Girl 2019

Savannah Super Cat
And just adding a link to a short video of the last part of when HB brought WC the mouse he left overnight on the back porch.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-VNBWR-u1KvAHuCAXpycFURou6xfcJK5/view?usp=sharing

It is WC in this video with the aforementioned, dead ,1/2 frozen mouse, and it is HB hanging back, looking like he really doesn't want to challenge WC in any way.(?) And this is typical of HB's body language whenever WC is enjoying something. As can be seen here, HB won't even join in the fun when WC bats the mouse towards him! But he very clearly wanted to give WC this mouse and was looking forward to doing this, with a big puffy tail, just like when we give someone we love a present. I find their behavior & relationship puzzling!
Okay I am dying to know! Where do you get a frozen mouse? The Savannah playing with it was really enjoying that mouse! You could easily see that!
 

Ditto Girl 2019

Savannah Super Cat
Okay I am dying to know! Where do you get a frozen mouse? The Savannah playing with it was really enjoying that mouse! You could easily see that!
Am enjoying very much the well written cat stories and the dilegent reporting and observations give me tremendous insight to my Ditto and shelter cat Fang. Always interesting dynamcis going on. Ditto (the Savannah) plays rough. Fang the 14 yr shelter cat easily outweighs her but its obvious her energy is on a different level. My older cat I call him "Grandpa Fang" because he has moments of mentoring Ditto. It is interesting how they work it out. I witness Ditto grooming Fang, he shirks her off. They sniff each other's butts but Fang acts like his dignity is damaged. Ditto is entertainment for Fang and he enjoys going off to doze while Ditto is deck monitor keeping the area free of anything that flies, crawls, jumps and if Fang is out of her sight - she comes looking for him. I witness them going at it at times so when I feel it is getting too rough I ask Alexa to "meow" and both cats run to the Echo to see where the meows are coming from!
 

Moggieslegacy

Savannah Super Cat
Thanks Ditto Girl for enjoying my long rambling stories. There does seem to be a lot going on with cats we don’t fully understand! Who sniffs who’s butt does seem to be a thing, and for how long. I would imagine any older cat, especially one with an average energy level would find a young Savannah challenging! And I wonder what is going on with them when they roll around on the ground. They really seem to enjoy this!

Frozen mice are usually available at a pet food store, but in my area they are $5 to $6 each, and not something I can regularly afford, except as a rare treat. Luckily my house and the enclosures are well stocked with an ever replenishing supply, and that particular mouse was one HB caught out in one of the enclosed areas. HB used to be very generous and bring WC what he caught, wanting to share, but then WC began very aggressively stealing everything from HB. HB just lets him and either looks sad, or gives him the stink eye. And sometimes I think he enjoys watching WC play with a mouse that has died and is no longer interesting. But he never fights him. Instead, later or another day HB will go sit/ lay on top of him and groom him and bite his neck. As if HB would like to control him better.... WC often enjoys or sleeps through HB’s efforts to show him who is boss, which is cute.

The other day out in the fenced yard HB caught a young, but substantial sized rabbit, which WC stole from him, and I stole from WC and put in the freezer. They can share it after it has been frozen a few weeks, and I cut it in half, as freezing eliminates many parasites. However, they both get regular parasite treatment, as they regularly manage to catch and eat mice, especially at night while I sleep. (Rabbits are a recently introduced species here, and they can quickly destroy people’s food gardens, so I was glad they got this )
 
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