Litter vomit and loose stools

[Kiwanga]

Probiotics didn´t due anything. It was always the Clavamox that helped immediately. You don´t want to risk the kittens with trying around, since they can go downhill very fast due to dehydration from vomiting and diarrhea. I rather err one the safe side giving a mild antibiotica than risking the lifes of my precious babies. Save money on meds, really? Yikes, nice suggestion...

 

[Kiwanga]

Well, I thought breeders with experience are asked, so I´ve told my experience with this. Back to lurking, I guess.

 

[Per Lausund]

Probiotics didn´t due anything. It was always the Clavamox that helped immediately. You don´t want to risk the kittens with trying around, since they can go downhill very fast due to dehydration from vomiting and diarrhea. I rather err one the safe side giving a mild antibiotica than risking the lifes of my precious babies. Save money on meds, really? Yikes, nice suggestion...

I may have been imprecise here: use probiotics before and while you are weaning the kittens, and you reduce the likelihood of problems. When you have an established E coli intestinal infection you need antibiotics, you do not want E coli to squeeze out the proper intestinal flora. What you need to do with yoghurt and other lactobacillus sources is prevent overcolonisation with E coli in the sensitive weaning phase, thus reducing the probability of vomiting and diarrhoea.
I´m sure there is more to this than I know, I only graduated thirty years ago. But this is what I do.
cheers!

 

[John Popp]

Probiotics didn´t due anything. It was always the Clavamox that helped immediately. You don´t want to risk the kittens with trying around, since they can go downhill very fast due to dehydration from vomiting and diarrhea. I rather err one the safe side giving a mild antibiotica than risking the lifes of my precious babies. Save money on meds, really? Yikes, nice suggestion...

I don't think that's a very fair assessment and certainly Per or anyone else here places the best interest of a kitten first and are at best only remotely concerned about cost. The use of yogurt with weaning kittens is well documented and widespread. Yogurt was also something that was on the menu when my sister rescued 5 orphaned kittens last summer with our vets recommendation. None of that precludes the use of clavamox, although as I believe Per was suggesting the root cause of establishing intestinal flora isn't something that clavamox addresses, in fact the opposite.

 

[admin]

That is what i was trying to remember, Margitta, thank you. I think Sue calls it, e coli bloom.

Clavomox was the only thing that worked for me...and then i gave some yogurt, so there would be little antibiotic effects.

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[SV Dad]

So now the drug guy weighs in. I'm with Per on this one. What I read, my thoughts immediately jumped to over colonization, and or insufficient / inappropriate GI flora. At that young age, it will take time to establish the proper GI colony flora. I think Per nailed it when he suggested going slow with the solid food introduction. Whereas the clavamox (Augmentin to us humans) and the metronidazole (Flagyl) produce positive results, I can't help but wonder if at the same time we are taking out beneficial flora and delaying the establishment of a working sustainable GI flora. (For all you moms out there, remember the loose stools when starting solid foods?)

 

[admin]

So now the drug guy weighs in. I'm with Per on this one. What I read, my thoughts immediately jumped to over colonization, and or insufficient / inappropriate GI flora. At that young age, it will take time to establish the proper GI colony flora. I think Per nailed it when he suggested going slow with the solid food introduction. Whereas the clavamox (Augmentin to us humans) and the metronidazole (Flagyl) produce positive results, I can't help but wonder if at the same time we are taking out beneficial flora and delaying the establishment of a working sustainable GI flora. (For all you moms out there, remember the loose stools when starting solid foods?)

That may or may not be true, but when you have baby kittens, you cannot allow them to become dehydrated and that happens very quickly! My kittens had already been through enough when Zuri was ill and I was not going to take any chances...I do not believe in rushing solid foods, so that was not my issue...I get what you are saying, but it really just depends on the situation and how old the kittens are...

 

[SV Dad]

Couldn't agree more with the dehydration issue. FYI, one of the meds in clavamox, clavulanate, can cause diarrhea.

 

[John Popp]

Just backing up for a second, it appears there are two things being discussed, the initial issue and the treatment when symptoms arise. In that light I don't think anyone is on a different page.

 

[Per Lausund]

Just backing up for a second, it appears there are two things being discussed, the initial issue and the treatment when symptoms arise. In that light I don't think anyone is on a different page.

My point exactly: supplement with yogurt or whichever lactobacillus source you prefer iot prevent disease. If you get disease in spite of, hey hoopla drugs! That's what they are for.