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SV Breed History

Brigitte Cowell

Moderator
Staff member
I think the reason that so many Bengals were used with Servals in the beginning has as much to do with the fact they were a wild-looking spotted cat as the fact that most of the breeders interested in growing up a Serval with domestics were already breeding Bengals, so could select the girls to grow up with the Serval from their own cats... which they would have known if any carried a little longer, if they were from healthy lines etc.

The official outcrosses for our breed were selected for type though, there was discussion on which breeds would help the development of the Savannah breed the most. Not sure if that was part of your question as well. But in terms of what they put with Serval it was less about what was considered permissible and more about what the Serval wanted too...they found that Servals actually seem to prefer the Bengal girls over the plain domestics for example...and that some were rather bigoted and would only breed BSTs and avoid the silvers and the solid blacks!

I only got my first SV in 2001 and joined the lists shortly after...but when I decided to breed in late 2002 (I spent a year researching before we actually brought our first girl home) I went to cat shows to talk to the breeders that were active back then. I was lucky enough to get great mentoring from a number of those original breeders so learned some of the breed history at that time.
 

Sue Armstrong

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Good question Trish. I am sure many outcrosses were thought out in the beginning days, but cannot say the Servals all agreed. Many breeders were already Bengal breeders thereby making it easy to go ahead and use their Bengal females. Back then we were not even screening for things like HCM as that was non-existant at the time. Not that HCM was non-existant but screening was not readily available. It was just beginning to be known.
It was also very hard to get other breeders of say EM to let them go. They did not want anyone to know that they would sell one of their cats for a Savannah breeding program as well as OS breeders. If we got them they usually came without papers as that is the only way they would sell them to us. So many of them got registered as DSH.

Then of course you have the issue of just what does your Serval like? You may have the perfect female in mind but does he? Sometimes you have to search for the female he will breed. None of this is easy in any way. As much as I try to figure this out, I still have not. So much depends on just who your Serval likes and then also highly depends on which females can pull it off. I would have to say that out of every 10 females that I have tried with Servals maybe only 1 girl can pull off live babies. Not good odds and maybe that is just me but I highly doubt it or there would be a lot more F1's being produced.

Certainly alot easier these days to just use our Savannah girls, but still getting them to produce is just plain not easy.
 

Trish Allearz

Moderator
Wonderful post, Sue! Thank you for your input and your knowledge! I know Misty tried spotted girls with her Serval, Dagger, and he seemed to migrate to ONLY DSHs! So yeah, that makes sense that you need to work around HIS tastes and what he likes. I cannot imagine the frustration of growing out nice queens- particularly in the early days- of the outcross breeds and then finding out you cannot use them because your Serval doesn't like them and you don't have a SV stud to breed them to. UGH!

I am loving this conversation :) It is interesting reading about the old days! And simply makes me appreciate everyone's hard work more!
 

Patti

Admin
Staff member
Excellent response Sue. We know so much more about disease in cats now than we did 20 years ago, but still have very few 'cures' for those ailments that continue to plague our cats (HCM, FIP, FeLV, herpes). On the other hand, I don't think in my life or yours will we ever be able to figure out why a serval likes one girl but not another! :confused:
 

Sue Armstrong

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No kidding, picky little buggers they are!!!!! I have had girls writhing in heat and the Serval just walks on by. Beamer loves all my girls but will only breed 1 girl. Why, I ask myself this over and over again. She is an F2 but he was also raised with other F2's and other girls of all generations. Why would he only pick out this 1 female. What makes her different? I just do not get it!!! :rolleyes:
 

Brigitte Cowell

Moderator
Staff member
I think Tina Robertson had the same thing happen, as likely most breeders with F1 programs... makes sense to me because some of my Savannah girls are exceedingly fussy too about what male cat they will let breed them! It took three different males with my first F2 girl to find one she liked and just recently Maddie (HP F5C) made us try three males and finally she seems to think Zak is cute...thank goodness he proved!
 

Brigitte Cowell

Moderator
Staff member
It was also very hard to get other breeders of say EM to let them go. They did not want anyone to know that they would sell one of their cats for a Savannah breeding program as well as OS breeders. If we got them they usually came without papers as that is the only way they would sell them to us. So many of them got registered as DSH.

Yes, plenty of DSH in pedigrees do actually have pedigrees just didn't come with papers. I know the father of my first breeding female was a registered Serengeti when sold to a SV breeder without papers so turns up in her pedigree as 01T instead.
 

Trish Allearz

Moderator
Yes, plenty of DSH in pedigrees do actually have pedigrees just didn't come with papers. I know the father of my first breeding female was a registered Serengeti when sold to a SV breeder without papers so turns up in her pedigree as 01T instead.
Well, that makes a lot of sense! Although it's a bit frustrating too since it'd be nice to have that information on the pedigrees versus not.
 
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