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What's up with the Animal Rights issue?

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Dantes

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Trish Allearz said:
Ah- but are they CFA?

CFA people are a horse of a different color (I love that phrase). They are taught by the CFA that breeds of nondomestic origin (did I get that right) are vicious animals.

I was just talking to a breeder and they said that one of CFA's current hang-ups on bringing the Bengals into their association was 'sooo many breeders are still breeding F1s-F2s'- yet, I think I'm on quite a few lists for cats for sale and I don't notice more then 1-2 of those breedings a year in the Bengals. I even tried to find some Bengal F1s and couldn't find any available at the moment. CFA is full of... kitty poo!
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Interesting!

I'm pretty sure from pedigrees they've posted and other info both have cats listed in TICA, but that might not affect whether they're repeating some dogma of any particular organization. http://home.netcom.com/~jbhenson/

Both are anti-raw feeding too, one of them pretty viciously so. Both male, if that matters (I'd say that better than 95% of the Ragdoll forum is female).

I guess it just strikes me as odd that they've actually met Savannahs and have this opinion that is so far beyond my experience, so bizarre.
 
SV Dad

SV Dad

Savannah Super Cat
For consideration: Before I got owned by my first F5 savannah, my wife and I had a healthy discussion about exotic hybrid cats. Based upon no experience, just like most folks at the time, I was very concerned about wild traits coming through at inappropriate times. There was little information available on the internet. Most of it from breeders. They had a product to sell. I wasn't confident of full disclosure. I wanted to commit to a cat and did not want to send it off to a rescue should it become too wild. I have enough science in me to know that tendencies can come through several generations. I had seen what some adopted barn cats could do. I didn't want a challenge. (In hindsight, boy was I wrong on this point!! But then again, this challenge has been most enjoyable!).
We actually went to the breeder to buy a Bengal. I didn't like the way the kitten walked (fearing a hip dysplasia, what the hell did I know!) so out came the F5 kitten, which promptly took a nap on my wife and it was all over.
Believe me, I was waiting for months for some issue to evolve. The issue turned out to be the best cat we ever had! Back to the internet to see if this was an anomaly. Still very little information. (This cat is now 8 years old.)

I really don't think I was overly cautious. I really think my frame of reference at the time was about average of what uniformed and unexperienced people would conclude.
Most people who come over and meet the SV's are quite reserved and afraid as they know of the exotic genes in my cats. (Mayhem of course is such a charmer, plays fetch with them after 15 minutes or so, and then they are smitten!)
And this is the essence of my point. Exposure, experience, information, and time, have shown that special and remarkable traits, that of intelligence, high activity, and unusual loyalty, became dominant in the offspring while the feral traits really have not shown up. This may be luck, but it is amazing and serendipitous.
It is a challenge to all in the Savannah community to educate the rest of the world, that these cats do not need to be restricted. They do not pose an aggressive risk. They can be as loyal as a dog. They are very good pets and companions.
 
Trish Allearz

Trish Allearz

Moderator
rascaldad said:
For consideration: Before I got owned by my first F5 savannah, my wife and I had a healthy discussion about exotic hybrid cats. Based upon no experience, just like most folks at the time, I was very concerned about wild traits coming through at inappropriate times. There was little information available on the internet. Most of it from breeders. They had a product to sell. I wasn't confident of full disclosure. I wanted to commit to a cat and did not want to send it off to a rescue should it become too wild. I have enough science in me to know that tendencies can come through several generations. I had seen what some adopted barn cats could do. I didn't want a challenge. (In hindsight, boy was I wrong on this point!! But then again, this challenge has been most enjoyable!).
We actually went to the breeder to buy a Bengal. I didn't like the way the kitten walked (fearing a hip dysplasia, what the hell did I know!) so out came the F5 kitten, which promptly took a nap on my wife and it was all over.
Believe me, I was waiting for months for some issue to evolve. The issue turned out to be the best cat we ever had! Back to the internet to see if this was an anomaly. Still very little information. (This cat is now 8 years old.)

I really don't think I was overly cautious. I really think my frame of reference at the time was about average of what uniformed and unexperienced people would conclude.
Most people who come over and meet the SV's are quite reserved and afraid as they know of the exotic genes in my cats. (Mayhem of course is such a charmer, plays fetch with them after 15 minutes or so, and then they are smitten!)
And this is the essence of my point. Exposure, experience, information, and time, have shown that special and remarkable traits, that of intelligence, high activity, and unusual loyalty, became dominant in the offspring while the feral traits really have not shown up. This may be luck, but it is amazing and serendipitous.
It is a challenge to all in the Savannah community to educate the rest of the world, that these cats do not need to be restricted. They do not pose an aggressive risk. They can be as loyal as a dog. They are very good pets and companions.
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It IS a challenge, but unfortunately, it's one that is hard to meet when you have people like RI DEM strutting their stuff, packing their guns, acting like the Bengals and Savannahs are going to kill them!

And you know- I felt the other way researching Savannahs- I felt that a lot of breeders' overemphasized their Serval heritage. By this- I mean breeders who say homes with children should not own F1s/F2s. Well- I call that hogwash! My F2s- quite a few of them- have went into homes with kids and done just fine! It's all about how you raise your babies- just like any other breed. My kittens are exposed to kids from the beginning and seem to do good with them- as much as any other cat.

But I was worried too- for a minute- until Simon came out of the crate, headbutted me and started purring.
 
SV Dad

SV Dad

Savannah Super Cat
Yeah, good point about F1's and F2's from some breeder sights. Initially, that kind of reinforced some of my concerns. In another thread I was asking about the progress of breeding. This is why I asked. I am confident the breed has developed well, and that the earlier fears of wild traits, has not only failed to appear, but that conservative laws and restrictions should be rescinded in light of experience.
 
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Dantes

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I guess point of reference is really important.

I had no idea what Savannahs were before I joined the Ragdoll forum. One Ragdoll owner (Kronos on this forum) had a Savannah. She wrote a little diary about adopting her Savannah Kronos and what he was like over the first few months. I fell in love! (not with Kronos, although she is a lovely lady lol, but the Savannah breed) Those Ragdoll breeders read the exact same posts as I did. But somehow they came to a completely different conclusion.

Oh, well. :-/
 
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Paige
Staff member
Dantes said:
I guess point of reference is really important.

I had no idea what Savannahs were before I joined the Ragdoll forum. One Ragdoll owner (Kronos on this forum) had a Savannah. She wrote a little diary about adopting her Savannah Kronos and what he was like over the first few months. I fell in love! (not with Kronos, although she is a lovely lady lol, but the Savannah breed) Those Ragdoll breeders read the exact same posts as I did. But somehow they came to a completely different conclusion.

Oh, well. :-/
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Sounds like they already had preconceived ideas about savannahs...
 
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