did anyone get papers with their kitty?

[shelby]

I hate to say this, but the breeder...whoever they are, did not place the cats with you and they do not have an oblgation to you. The original owners are the only ones they would have to deal with. Most breeders would require the cats to be returned to them should the new owner decide they are not keeping them. I will go a step further and say the original owner should have had the cat vet checked when they bought it. The parasites could have come from the first owner. I am curious as to why you say the cat is not going to be spayed..are you planning on breeding the cat you say was in such bad shape?

 

[Patti]

So I'm assuming, although I'm still not clear, that you are talking about two different breeders associated with the two separate cats. In any case, if the original breeder wants you to spay the cat I doubt she is going to provide you with registration papers until you do (if she even has them).

 

[DocMac]

Why aren't you getting her spayed? Are you going to breed her? How long since she had kittens?

 

[Brigitte Cowell]

For you to get the papers you need the breeder or actually the person that holds their registration papers (or blue slips) to sign them to transfer ownership to you. The bill of sale is not enough as that only proves you were sold the cat but not sold as a breeding cat (as you have said you won't spay the cat). I don't suggest you breed them without getting their papers.

 

[mickey]

Why aren't you getting her spayed? Are you going to breed her? How long since she had kittens?

I have owned literally tons of cats through the years, grew up with them. I lived most my life in the country and cats are a benefit to the environment, they provide rodent control. Help, yes help the bird population, keep diseases such as the plague, yes I said the plague, and a host of others in check. They are welcome behind shopping plazas, ships, factories, wharfs, docks and barns, Anywhere grain is handled and grown,

Here, once upon a time, there were mountain lions, (Lake Erie means 'big cat') Bobcats (very rare here now) other predators that kept rodents etc in control. But yet I see this, kill, spay or nurture cats as somehow they are out of control and some kind of vermin.

According to who? PETA ?, Who believes no one should own a pet, Jesus was a vegetarian and animals only belong in the wild and people probably shouldn't exist.

Well, you know what, God said "Go forth and multiply and populate the earth" My son has 6 kids and some people are so strange as to act if that is some kind of crime. I will tell you this, when one our cats was going to have kittens, it was an exiting time. And never was there a problem finding homes for the ones we didn't keep.

Now, tell someone, one doesn't believe in altering a cat and a war breaks out.

Lets see, if I neuter the male kitty, he will never get testicular cancer,only benefit by the way, an 'extremely' rare disease.

But for sure he will get fat, lazy and disinterested in life in general after awhile, and probably get heart and liver disease after awhile.

Spay female. Ok, why again? Oh yeah she won't get that disease called pregnancy. Shesh.

And of course every breeder will tell anyone they sell a cat to that the kitty will die of a urine infection.

Kinda funny, out of all the cats I have owned, fed outside my back door or have been aquatinted with, none, no not one ever ever had pyometra. EXCEPT one. It came from,.......... where else, a breeder.

Did you know that should also be a 'rare' disease?

Turned out they would take its kittens, give them to another cat to nurse, cat would go back into heat, they would take those, so on and so on. What a piece of crap (sorry) it takes to do that, wonder the cat didn't die while that was going on.

Los Angeles has a law now that all cats and dogs be altered period, unless special permit. I imagine it will be awhile b4 they can actually completely enforce that, and probably a good thing they won't be able to. Did I mention the plague and other diseases?, do people think it has been wiped out somehow?

In England they killed cats and dogs thinking they spread it, They actually ate cats, called them roof rabbits. If only they had known, and good hygiene would have helped as well of course. Cities do have sewers and alleys, trash bins, wonder how rats like those?

Oh yeah, now communities think cats should only be inside and counties, cities etc are passing laws to that effect. Are you serious, hard to eat a rat that way unless you have a rodent problem in there.

I have watched cats outside, they lick rocks, eat dirt, grass, they munch on my garlic like cows, eat moths that lay eggs in my peach blossoms, and once in awhile one licks my shovels? Well, they know what they need out there better than I for good health, And you think that cat food supplies all their needs, Yeah, think what you want while your taking it to the vet constantly.

OK, Farrell cats are a problem in parts of Australia, they are the most proficient hunters of any cat kind, and they do kill just to kill. What's that have to do with giving the cat haters laws to trap and take your kitty to a kill shelter?

There I go, I said it. Who needs them? Humane society and kill shelters I have absolutely no respect for, its nothing but a business, Cats are pets if they are pets, they are wild if they are wild. Say what? Well it's true.

Now for those misguided individuals who think wild cats are in some kind of distress, well, I do respect their good intents,(really, and I do mean that) although I am sure those kitties would just as soon you left them to do what they were designed to do, live life as a cat, do cat things, hunt, raise and teach their young and multiply and fill the earth lol.,

How many ppl did I just tick off? Not meant to really, just some things to think about.

 

[mickey]

I worked on my sister in laws carburetor once, and something later went wrong with the radiator. Somehow she was convinced it was something I did to the carb that put a leak in her radiator? Well needless to say, I never worked on her car again , I found an excuse every time she asked why I couldn't

Point is, if my cat has had an upper respiratory infection and had at one point coccidas, it is not going to affect in any way what so ever any pregnancies she may or may not have in the future.

Also I am trying to find in these posts where I said anything about breeding her. Although that is certainly my right later on as long as she is in good health and I so desire to do so. The other cat prolly not for sure.

I am pretty sure I stated that both cats were sold originally without any contracts and there are no agreements as to altering, breeding, or 'sold as just pet'.

But they are both registered.

I paid for cats which are now, and gee I hate to us this term, my 'property' The breeder has no say what so ever what I may or may not do with them.

Do I think it is BS I should not see their pedigree, well, one may disagree with me and are certainly welcome to, but I think it is ridiculous

 

[Brigitte Cowell]

I think that many might find your views ridiculous too, Mickey, if they actually read that rant.

It seems to me that you think you have the right to do what you want, but apparently others don't have that right. You want the papers on this cat and don't think the breeder has the right to withhold them even though you apparently didn't buy the cat as a breeding cat nor have a contract guaranteeing you papers?

 

[mickey]

Hmmm, thats actually kinda hurtful. First off it wasn't in any way shape or form a rant.
I clearly stated, "was just something to think about"
And you are for some reason, I can only guess, putting words in my mouth.
I, at no point said breeder was withholding anything.
If I have a problem, it is probably with TICA, Although I don't think I commented on that.
I have found in my life, there are way too many ppl that are willing to give a fast reply than actually think or contemplate what one other may say.
Once again, the breeders didn't care enough to worry about a contract.
I would assume they operated out of greed, and ego, as "nobody but them should have a bengal or savannah litter ever, That way they can "control the market so to speak' in this given area.
Just my opinion, may I have that, my own opinion. And that "opinion " is based on what I have seen for about 20 years now.
As for registration, maybe I am ignorant on this topic, but somehow I thought having the registration was different than seeing the pedigree.

 

[mickey]

I think that many might find your views ridiculous too, Mickey, if they actually read that rant.

It seems to me that you think you have the right to do what you want, but apparently others don't have that right. You want the papers on this cat and don't think the breeder has the right to withhold them even though you apparently didn't buy the cat as a breeding cat nor have a contract guaranteeing you papers?

Could you point out what is not factual? Because I'm pretty sure I stuck with facts for the most part. I'm mostly interested in what I said that was'ridiculous' I mean, I am certainly not too old to learn new things.
But while commenting, please keep in ind that cats have saved many crops so you could eat, (fact) and that farmers etc place ads all the time for barn cats(fact) And these will be outside cats fending for themselfs (fact)
but I am only guessing what may have offended you, wasn't intentional

 

[Brigitte Cowell]

Both papers and pedigrees are things that if you haven't a prior agreement on, you don't have a right to.

I have not put words in your mouth, but am sorry your feelings are hurt by my opinion of your situation. Maybe you should think first before expressing your opinion that people are only in this for greed and ego then as that seems pretty hurtful language to me.

I don't know why you want to argue about this. I am not sure what your point is or what you are trying to achieve here. It doesn't seem to me like you want to learn more about Savannahs, which is why this forum exists.