did anyone get papers with their kitty?

[Brigitte Cowell]

I hope that you do learn more about your Bengal at the vet. I don't think that Bengals generally have small livers, I think that there was one study of a few ALCs at a zoo that showed a smaller liver size. That is likely what you are thinking of. That is not reported in Savannahs either. You will hear advice on vaccines to use and anesthesia but it is important to know that this is not advice that has anything to do with their breed or the "wild" heritage, but more advice that many breeds' breeders give to be careful with their cats.

 

[Brigitte Cowell]

American bobtails??

Thats interesting. I have one female american bobtail left Iwas wanting to breed with a bengal or savannah to try and get a bobcat type cat,

I think that I didn't pay enough attention earlier on... you are wanting to purchase a Savannah to breed to an American Bobtail? I'm not sure why you need to do that to get the bobcat look, isn't the American Bobtail already bred to have that Bobcat look? How would using a Bengal or a Savannah (which two breeds have significantly different structures from each other) add to this?

No, having TICA registered cats or a TICA-registered cattery name does not automatically make someone reputable. Of course, they can be banned from TICA if charges of animal cruelty are found against them but that is about all TICA can "police". It is a registry, nothing more than that. So saying that, it IS important. How else to prove that your cat really is of the breed it is purported to be without papers... we face that issue regularly...I do Rescue and sometimes when a cat is in a shelter and it has come in without being surrendered to the shelter by the owner with its papers, then we have to play "Guess the Breed". Now if the cat came from a program without an aim to produce cats that fit a breed standard, then our job is hard. Oftentimes a cat's life is saved if it can be attributed to a breed name, as the breed rescue group will take it on... but if they come from a mixed bag of cats then it's chances are usually slim to none :-(

 

[mickey]

I think that I didn't pay enough attention earlier on... you are wanting to purchase a Savannah to breed to an American Bobtail? I'm not sure why you need to do that to get the bobcat look, isn't the American Bobtail already bred to have that Bobcat look? How would using a Bengal or a Savannah (which two breeds have significantly different structures from each other) add to this?

No, having TICA registered cats or a TICA-registered cattery name does not automatically make someone reputable. Of course, they can be banned from TICA if charges of animal cruelty are found against them but that is about all TICA can "police". It is a registry, nothing more than that. So saying that, it IS important. How else to prove that your cat really is of the breed it is purported to be without papers... we face that issue regularly...I do Rescue and sometimes when a cat is in a shelter and it has come in without being surrendered to the shelter by the owner with its papers, then we have to play "Guess the Breed". Now if the cat came from a program without an aim to produce cats that fit a breed standard, then our job is hard. Oftentimes a cat's life is saved if it can be attributed to a breed name, as the breed rescue group will take it on... but if they come from a mixed bag of cats then it's chances are usually slim to none :-(

I will have to post some pics later on of the bobtails we had, yeah some breeders do have a very wild look, not all. We got ours in Texas, but they didn't have ear tuffs, or spotted coats, they were however large, long. Just was something I had wanted to do since I can remember, but bk then it was the idea of using spotted tabby domestics, cats with ticking and the wild rusit coloring. I did eyeball the "free to good home thinking of that long ago dream. There were no American bobtails that I know of in the late 60s or early 70's , but I always loved and owned Manx cats, which is when I started thinking on the bobcat look. But seems something always happened.
But I doubt I ever breed my Bengal, in fact, I have to say never. The idea I mentioned above, is not the reason I would like to get a Savannah, but would I rule the idea out? Theres a question, I mean after all, some lady in her apt developed the ragdoll, ppl thought she was crazy if memory serves me, I have seen some nice ones.
Course now we live in an age of computer designed cats lol.
Oh, the bobtail above is not the same stock as the others, but she is a sweetheart. She has the curved face long bk legs, and as she got older , some weight and lenght to her, but she is not a purebred, which I personally think is somewhat of an enigma when it comes to the so called American Bobtail. They , like the Mainecoon have been around a long long time. Then certain ones are picked out and now there are "purebreds" well, we all have an opinion I guess

 

[mickey]

she is not a "purebred", she is however an american bobtail,( but her tail is too short.) which I personally think is somewhat of an enigma when it comes to the so called American Bobtail. As they allow outcrossing (nessasary actually) and, They , like the Mainecoon have been around a long long time. Then certain ones are picked out and now there are "purebreds" (improved would be a better word) well, we all have an opinion I guess
the pic here, one can see in the set of her eyes the siamese influence. Don't know why second pic shows her eyes like that, although she did have a pronounced brow and strong jaw,wide nose, she didn't get ruff till winter

 

[mickey]

So, anyway, why did they use bobtails in savannahs? And actually, that gives even more credability to using them for a bobcat like cat. Honestly, I don't think american bobtails look that much like a bobcat

not all our bobtails had funny hats like that

 

[Lori Greer]

PIXIE BOBS are bred to resemble a bobcat. I don't know of breeders using any type of bob tailed cat to produce Savannahs. Actually can think of one who did it about 8 years ago before there were fertile Savannah males. I don't quite understand.... if you want a cat that resembles the bobcat, you should seek out a reputable Pixie Bob breeder.

 

[Per Lausund]

I can think of one reason you might want the paperwork... you have an F1 right? You might need some day to prove he IS a Savannah and not a Serval. Don't laugh, people get them mixed up. I had a situation here in San Francisco where I had homed a large Savannah girl, she got into an altercation while on a leashed walk with an unleashed dog and the dog's owner called Animal Control saying there was a Serval. The AC officer turned up at the owner's place and he promptly called me for help. I had to go down to AC with her registration papers to prove she was a domestic cat. I showed the officer pictures of a Serval and pictures of Katie and he could tell me the differences, but he still wanted a copy of her papers to prove it as the person making the complaint was kinda hysterical about it. Attached is a pic of the cat in question.... and the dog in question was a labrador threatening her new daddy...

Definitely cat; but what a cat!

 

[Per Lausund]

What I wrote above may not seem to be that important, but I understand Bengal's (I do not know about Savannahs) have small livers, don't handle certain meds and anesthesia too well, and can have problems just because of their gene pool. The breeder is TICA registered, but I don't know that makes them "reputable" and of course I will not name them here.

Where does all this "small liver" stuff originate?

 

[mickey]

I should have probably said "they have small livers compared to a "domestic" cat Asian leopard Cats have smaller livers. Domestic originates from African Wildcats which have livers that can handle toxins dehydration etc better. Better able to live in arid or dessert regions. Asian is just a different type of cat, they like forrests and streams etc, but not limited to. Has been my understanding Bengals have the ALC liver. Their coat is not the only thing they inheited from the ALC, bone and muscle structure for example.
Anyway, it's not that they have a "mutated" liver or anything like that
I will also add, Domestics do not have some kind of super liver when it comes to handleing toxins, in fact they also are extremely sensitive to alot of chemicals ,meds etc.be very careful when dosing any type medication to any cat type, or any other animal for that matter.

 

[mickey]

PIXIE BOBS are bred to resemble a bobcat. I don't know of breeders using any type of bob tailed cat to produce Savannahs. Actually can think of one who did it about 8 years ago before there were fertile Savannah males. I don't quite understand.... if you want a cat that resembles the bobcat, you should seek out a reputable Pixie Bob breeder.

I was repling to Sue stateing that American Bobtails and Bengals were in used Ticks pedigee
That really surprized me

In all reality the American Bobtail is a naturally occurring cat, they have changed their 'goals' so to speak in what they would like to accomplish with them. They are still a breed in progress, and some breeders have gone out of their way to get a bobcat look with them. They can outcross them with anything.