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Question for SV breeders

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shelby

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I am very happy for the new owners to pick up their kitten at my home. On the other hand...I do not wish to allow people into my home just to view my cats.Due to diseases that can be brought into my cats...I am not willing to take that chance...just to place a kitten.
 
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Dantes

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I don't think I've ever gotten a kitten from anywhere (although admittedly most of them were pound kitties) where I wasn't invited to meet them first. Although I definitely don't blame anyone for not wanting strangers in their house (at any price!). Still, how do you create a relationship for the sale/purchase of a pet without any real contact? How can the buyer know they're getting the right kitten, or the seller know they're not selling to a whacko?

In retrospect, if it weren't for Kelly, I probably wouldn't have gotten a kitten at all, as the whole process was confusing to me, and I wouldn't have gotten a SV without meeting him first. Maybe--possibly--I would do so today, but even then would limit it to the breeders that I sort of "know" through the site from their lengthy posts and discussions, and yet would still be scared about that sort of transaction....I could be quite certain about the breeder and yet still end up with the wrong kitten :-/ (JMO)
 

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Paige
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My kitten buyers know exactly what kitten they are getting...I send multiple photos through out the week and there is no doubt which kitten is which kitten ;) You can look at my pictures, come pick up your kitten and pick out the kitten that is yours, based on the photos...I have had lengthy emails and phone conversations with my kitten buyers.

How would you feel if that kitten you purchased could not be yours down the road because it came down with a disease brought into the cattery by someone else?

I do not want this thread to turn into an indictment of any breeder(s), no matter how they feel...we all have our own ways of dealing with selling kittens, but I can tell you this...there are reasons people do not let outsiders into their catteries...the USDA licensing actually does not allow a breeder to do this for the reasons many of us have already explained...and I don't want to keep beating this topic to death.

I find it hard to believe that anyone on this site would have an issue buying from any breeder here, who dedicates their time and effort in helping everyone here and answering their questions. You know who we all are...if you didn't trust me to sell you the kitten you purchased, I guess I don't even know what to say. My reputation, integrity and honesty are pretty apparent, I think.
 

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Paige
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I think you read my post the wrong way. I specifically said I'd trust those I "virtually" know here. But adopting a pet is not just about the breeder, it's also about the relationship between adopter and adoptee...

Ok, I won't go on, as I'm not trying to create an argument, just express a point of view, but I don't think it will be heard in the manner intended.

I understand your POV and respect your opinion...I guess I was reading the part where you said "but even then would limit it to the breeders that I sort of "know" through the site from their lengthy posts and discussions, and yet would still be scared about that sort of transaction....I could be quite certain about the breeder and yet still end up with the wrong kitten :-/ (JMO)" - i don't know how you could end up with the wrong kitten from a trustworthy breeder...and since kittens change dramatically, how do you know you will end up with the right kitten even if you have visited? Communication is the key, no matter what, IMO...plenty of photos and videos will give you a pretty good idea of who the kitten is and the type of home/place you are purchasing from.

I agree the relationship goes both ways...
 

Trish Allearz

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Well, my phone is being a butt, so sorry if this posts twice.

We all have different feelings in this regard, but I will try to explain things a little more succinctly.

When I originally began breeding Sphynx, I would allow new Moms and Dads to come over as soon as the kittens received their first set of vaccines. This continued until one day, I had a new Mom call me extremely upset to inform me that the same day she came over to visit her baby, she also had cuddled and handled a puppy coated in ringworm. Now, she didn't know the puppy had ringworm at that time- and she couldn't recall whether or not she handled the puppy before or after visiting my cattery!

No biggie, right? Um, wrong. Thankfully, she must have seen the puppy after her visit because no one came down with the dreaded fungi, BUT it could have easily happened and all by accident. If those kittens had come down with ringworm- some owners probably would have backed out of their purchases and others would have been left waiting to receive their kittens far past the promised delivery time.

The fact is- these kittens are MY responsibility, but I also consider the future homes that already have put down a deposit as well. THEIR future happiness depends upon MY responsibility within my cattery with THEIR kitten. To me, it's not worth the extra risk of exposing my kittens to more outside hazards for the off chance that I'll sell an extra kitten to someone down the road.

As most breeders who have done this for more then a litter or two, I've had the horrible responsibility of calling an owner and telling them something was wrong with their kitten (Neala- with her Persistent Right Aortic Arch- I had to call Amanda and tell her that something was seriously wrong with her baby). I've had the horror of having to call an owner when their kitten died as well as to ask permission to put their baby to sleep (Tiki and Bamboo- both developed extreme reactions to their vaccines. Tiki died that night in my hands and Bamboo, I put to sleep the next morning after confirming my actions with his future Momma- I didn't have to ask her permission, but I felt in that situation it was the appropriate course of action). You already have such fragile little lives in your hands from the moment they are born- it is up to YOU what risks you are willing to take with them.

For some, the risk of having visitors is minimal- or they view it as, the kittens are exposed to germs day in and day out, so why worry? (For example- I do have kids, so I know the risk of walking in something like ringworm is always a possibility). For me- I am a born worrier and I will avoid risks that are unnecessary. I cannot kick my children out of the house, but I can refuse admittance to strangers who have no purpose within my cattery.

Once again, it's all about point of view. To me- if a potential owner cannot respect my need to protect my kittens and the future happiness of homes who have already committed to a kitten, then they don't need one of MY kittens. There will always be someone else who will sell to you. It's not a loss to me.
 
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Dantes

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i don't know how you could end up with the wrong kitten from a trustworthy breeder...and since kittens change dramatically, how do you know you will end up with the right kitten even if you have visited? Communication is the key, no matter what, IMO...plenty of photos and videos will give you a pretty good idea of who the kitten is and the type of home/place you are purchasing from.

I agree the relationship goes both ways...

For one thing, I might feel that I virtually know a breeder, but does that mean that the breeder knows me, virtually or otherwise? And have you ever thought you knew someone online only to find out they were completely different IRL? Or have you ever fallen in love with a picture, only to find that the creature (human, kitten, or otherwise) in the picture does not respond to you at all? I don't have the answers, I'm just trying to express my POV, nothing more.

Trish, this is why I could never be a breeder myself, I'd end up crying most days. :( I certainly understand the need for protecting little ones from disease, but at some point they're going to be exposed to the real world.
 

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Paige
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And that is why kitten buyers pick up their kittens in person...

And no...i have met many people online and take the time to also talk to them on the phone, so i really know them. And then i meet them and have never been disappointed.

and picking out a kitten in person does not guarantee in a few weeks that kitten will be in love with you...

I don't really want to continue going around in circles...each breeder has their own philosophy and ethics. I have made my point and philosophy clear...i am ethical, conscientious, loving and protective...especially of my precious babies....if that is not good enough for someone, so be it...they will not have one of my kittens...

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Patti

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For many breeders, including myself, the vast majority of my kittens are sold out of state, so impossible for the future owners to visit. However, if I do have someone local then, once I check them out thoroughly, will agree to visit them in their home. This allows them to meet the kitten(s) they are interested in, allows me to evaluate the home they might be living in, and also gives me an opportunity to assess how well the kitten(s) will adapt to a new home. This is actually ideal for me and I even have in my pre-adoption questionnaire a request to allow an 'agent' assess the potential new owner's home if they live long distance from me.
 
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