siamese_ choco or seal ?

[Patti]

FYI, snow is recessive so just because you don't see it in the pedigree doesn't mean he doesn't carry for it...

 

[Glamouresque]

Ho I might have surprises even with my actual savannahs !!
I really need that genetic book, tired of googling. The gene can stay hidden for a while before popping out again many generations later !! interesting. Both needs the gene to get a pointed kitten.

I learn every day, still have a lot to learn.

When I stop OS I will miss those little rat-like kittens, almost nude.... but will be thrilled with spotted fuzzy kittens !!! Go Paragon GO !!! (Paragon is my silver sweet boy, almost 1, but...not performing well).

 

[admin]

Ah, ok, I understand now And your english is fine - not to worry!

I know that many used the OS as an outcross once upon a time, but have shied away from that mix as of late, although I am sure the OS/SV pairing is still used...

I like your thinking, Glamouresque, and look forward to seeing what you produce in the future.

 

[Glamouresque]

Thanks for my english
I studies art at an english College and I use english at work,
but the cat world is a bit different language.

and I am so in love with all your cats. Just love energetic and interactive cats. The tabby cat always have an extra "blink" of intelligence in the eyes. Always my favorites, even stray tabby cats are great cats <3
maybe not as dog-like, but intelligent cats.

 

[Dr. Cris Bird]

Thanks Dr Cris Bird
I was so surprised with the brown one, really dark brown, color gets lighter close to skin, he was born with a red brick nose, darkened after a couple of days. Had some gost spots. I took some genetic info with the net, but not super detailled. Can't wait to receive my genetic book.

You are very observant. That sounds exactly like a solid chocolate kitten. The nose is actually mostly pink at that age on the chocolates, but sometimes there is just a trace of chocolate color already present. That trace of chocolate color can make the pink nose look brick-colored. But it's not the same as the tabby nose. The nose leather eventually turns cocoa brown.

As far as fur, young chocolates can have slightly lighter roots and show ghost tabby markings, but as they get older, usually they get more solidly chocolate colored all over. It's just exactly as you report.

So, okay, both of your Orientals definitely carry chocolate. They are genotype B/b. And it sounds like they carry dilute, as well. But they themselves are black spotted and seal (black) tortie point.

That means they could produce solid black kittens, solid blue kittens, and solid lilac kittens in addition to the solid chocolate.

Btw, I hope you don't under-estimate your Orientals. In their way, they are as different from other cats as Savannahs are. The nondomestic source breeds are exciting, but so are the Asian breeds.

I *love* everything in the Siamese family of breeds. They are great, great cats -- the most intelligent of the domestic cats by far. They actually go very well with the nondomestic source breeds -- Savannahs and Chausies. They have a lot in common with them -- intelligence and a love of mischief and activity.

While I don't breed Savannahs, I do breed Chausies. They fit right in with my Siamese -- and vice versa.

The main differences I notice -- other than appearance -- are two things. My Siamese/Thais are very, very domesticated, much more so than my Chausies. I don't mean they are dumb or sedate. Not at all. But they are always *civilized* if you know what I mean. I can pill my Siamese. I can bathe them. I can do anything with them. They may not always like it, but they trust me completely and tolerate all kinds of handling with minimal fuss.

With the Chausies, their survival instincts and sense of autonomy are much keener. The fear response is sharper. It's because they are less domesticated. I have to remember that and negotiate with them more, work with them more, especially the early generation cats. It's almost as if the Siamese are my children and the Chausies are my peers. That isn't quite accurate, but the relationship feels something like that.

The other thing I notice, though, is that the Chausies are *more* tolerant than my Siamese when it comes to little things that other cats do. They seem to forgive and forget in cat X cat situations where a lot of my Siamese will hold a grudge.

They are all amazing beings.

 

[admin]

Cristy, thank you as always for such thorough, educating answers! I always learn so much from you

 

[Glamouresque]

Cris thank You so much for some of you experience You just shared with us.
For my oriental kittens, I will surely miss them, but will keep some adults. I love the colorfull kittens I had so far, and they are so much fun to raise. Very easy to socialise and I was lucky, no diseases yet.

I am really in love with the oriental character, they are more "one person" cat I think than savannahs.
It is true about the cat trust for oriental, but they don't trust everybody (specially at the vet).

For savannahs I am still discovering the character, more doggy like in some ways and manners. I was afraid to not love them as much as my other cats, but no worries now, I am just fascinated more and more every day. I cannot live without the little bird sound behind me (Marguerite F3C) followed with multi head butts. She is so layback and relax sometimes compares to the hyper orientals.

I would love to learn more about chaussi, they are very elegant cats, all muscles, warm color and they fascinates me also. Love the caracal too, very attractive cat. Love big ears for a cat. <3
I do have big ears too, but not so nice for a human

 

[Glamouresque]

I have new picture of my little cutie, she looks more and more chocolate. Her paw pads are still almost pink. I took the pictures outside without the flash, just want to share. She was afraid and her furr is spiky lol. But her eyes are just <3


and some pict of the spotted red boy

and black spotted boy (i wish he was a girl)

 

[admin]

I love all of them, but your black spotted boy is special

 

[Glamouresque]

Thank you Page, I feel so lucky to have them a couples of months with me I anjoy every moment of it. They are so attracted to humans and alway look so happy to see me. They started climbing on me, so funny clowns.

For the black spotted boy, Yes the adopters will be selected very carefully. He is perfect, silky furr, almost nude feeling at the touch. Very super long legs and body. I would love him to be adopted by a friend to watch him grow.
Even better spots and contrast than daddy.