siamese_ choco or seal ?

[Trish Allearz]

Oooh, I want the red one!!!

 

[Glamouresque]

Now looking back at the pictures, I am still wondering about the siamese color ? Choco or lilac ? She is 4 weeks old. Her tail is very light (but was fussy, she was afraid) and her nose too. I was in the shade, the sun was too bright for direct sun light. Inside she looks darker. I will let her grow up....

The spotted kittens are still my favorites they are generally more active kittens.

Trish the red one is the most dynamic of all, he is the biggest !!! (for an oriental of course).

 

[Trish Allearz]

Now looking back at the pictures, I am still wondering about the siamese color ? Choco or lilac ? She is 4 weeks old. Her tail is very light (but was fussy, she was afraid) and her nose too. I was in the shade, the sun was too bright for direct sun light. Inside she looks darker. I will let her grow up....

The spotted kittens are still my favorites they are generally more active kittens.

Trish the red one is the most dynamic of all, he is the biggest !!! (for an oriental of course).

He would fit right in with my big red F1 rascal then! ROFL!

 

[Dr. Cris Bird]

Now looking back at the pictures, I am still wondering about the siamese color ? Choco or lilac ? She is 4 weeks old.

The photos taken outdoors seem to be quite good. If I can trust my browser, she's a chocolate point. Her point color is much too dark and brownish for a lilac point, especially one only 4 weeks old. Pretty kitten.

It's so hard to be sure these days that any show-style Siamese or Oriental litter is free of familial amyloidosis or one of the other genetic problems. If you use one as a Savannah outcross, you should really do some very careful pedigree research first -- and even then you won't be completely sure. FA is seemingly everywhere in the Siamese breed group now.

But they are such wonderful cats. Sigh. Your kittens are beautiful.

 

[Glamouresque]

He would fit right in with my big red F1 rascal then! ROFL!

So funny the mini skinny version of him lol

 

[Glamouresque]

The photos taken outdoors seem to be quite good. If I can trust my browser, she's a chocolate point. Her point color is much too dark and brownish for a lilac point, especially one only 4 weeks old. Pretty kitten.

It's so hard to be sure these days that any show-style Siamese or Oriental litter is free of familial amyloidosis or one of the other genetic problems. If you use one as a Savannah outcross, you should really do some very careful pedigree research first -- and even then you won't be completely sure. FA is seemingly everywhere in the Siamese breed group now.

But they are such wonderful cats. Sigh. Your kittens are beautiful.

I didn't know this disease is so present in the breed

It doesn't seem easy for a clear diagnosis, I think I should talk with my vet about this.

My spotted male is 3.5. His last blood test was this winter and everything was OK. (his muscles protein level was bit hight, not sure of the term, he hates to go to the vet). He had radio shots taken around 2 also. Maybe I can get him other radio shots to compare his liver with the previous one. They always need to drug him to do it... so I am not a super fan. When I meet the specialist, just to see her it cost me $300 and $40 more just to "look" at the cat and take the temp. I never leave without a super hight bill, at least $800 each time.

Do you think a regular vet can give a good diagnosis for him at his age 3.5 ?
The intern specialist, they even charged me for $30 for 8 pepcid pills. I made them remove it from the bill last time (it is the second time). "but you need to pay for the prescription". I already know the dosage and can by it at the Pharmacy. Half of the bill is very hard to understand.

The female always had perfect blood samples and have a very strong health. The male is more fragile.

Sorry for those questions, I will ask my regular vet (cats only and she was an hymalayien breeder).

 

[Dr. Cris Bird]

I didn't know this disease is so present in the breed

It doesn't seem easy for a clear diagnosis, I think I should talk with my vet about this. . . .


Do you think a regular vet can give a good diagnosis for him at his age 3.5 ?

Unfortunately, there is no way to test for familial amyloidosis. They say the cats are healthy and have normal blood test results until they suddenly fall ill. I saw this myself. I had two modern Siamese girls who seemed perfectly okay until they were 6 years old. They were half sisters. One died in January, and the necropsy showed it was amyloidosis. When the first one fell ill, I brought her half sister to the vet clinic for testing. The half sister had a complete blood panel with liver function tests. She tested completely normal. But 9 months later, the "normal" girl fell ill. After she also died, I had another necropsy done. It was also amyloidosis.

There are only two ways to predict familial amyloidosis, and both ways are not very reliable. The first way is by the cat's health. Any cat that has a lot of inflammatory illnesses and infections, such as sinusitis, has a higher than average risk of eventually developing amyloidosis. The other way is to look at the pedigree and show the pedigree to experienced breeders in the Siamese and Oriental community. They can tell you if the lineages in the pedigree have produced cats that have FA.

The trouble is, many breeders have not done necropsies on their cats that have died young. Even in supposedly "healthy" lineages, FA may still be present. It is also possible that inbreeding all by itself causes at least some cases of amyloidosis. That is because it can cause a weak immune system, and weak immune systems can mean lots of infections. Any cat that has a lot of infections during its life is at risk of developing amyloidosis. It's comparable to the way brain injuries can bring on dementia in humans. It can be genetic, but it can also be the result of chronic infections and illness.

I think the best way to prevent FA is to buy breeding cats from experienced breeders who have a repuation for being very open and honest about problems in their lineages. Honest and knowledgable breeders are a better source of Orientals and Siamese than breeders whose cats win at cat shows all the time. As we say in PREOSSIA, "The most beautiful cat is a healthy cat."

 

[Glamouresque]

Thank You for all that input.
Your explanations are very clear, hoping my cats are free of FA.

 

[Glamouresque]

Surprise surprise the chocolate point girl is not chocolate.....
She tricked me with her dark ears and nose bridge.

I just found some orangy cream on one of her ear. The other ear have mico cream spots closer the base.
Now I can see a shadow line on her nose bridge and found out after inspecting her a pink toe pad without shading. Tortie point !!!

This is a picture of a sister from previous litter at around 1 year old
I predict the same kind of super short silky coat.

 

[Glamouresque]

previous lynx point, he was a big one, all muscles.
I am almost sure the tortie point have the same eye color as this pretty boy, but not the ears.