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Moggieslegacy

Savannah Super Cat
Opps... Accidentally hit post when I was still thinking about what I wanted to say... And if I should even say it. My kittens origins more and more appear to be a bit peculiar. Not in a bad way, just puzzling.
 
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WitchyWoman

Admin
Staff member
He'll continue to grow length/height for a year; 2nd year is more muscular growth than skeletal growth. All of my cats have had growth spurts (length/height) in their 2nd year when typically the consensus is that all of that is done by the 1st year.
 

Remi's Mommy

Site Supporter
Remi is a year and a half now and just went through another spurt. I can usually tell by her appetite goes crazy for a couple weeks then back to normal.


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Moggieslegacy

Savannah Super Cat
If he keeps growing I may have to retire from the job of being a cat chair. He is long but not that big when he isn't spread out like a fluid octopus, but already heavy enough I have to reclaim my lap after about 15 minutes...
 

Moggieslegacy

Savannah Super Cat
So... This is a toned down version of the rant I accidentally posted and then deleted earlier. And it has been edited since I originally posted it, to remove repetitive rambling and some irrelevant personal philosophical opinions.

I have been watching the advertisements posted by the person I got Moggie from, trying to figure out who my kitten’s Mom is.

The person I got my kitten from has over the past 6 months had several advertisements all for f7 snow Savannah kittens on a well known online advertising venue. All the ads show the same picture of 2 spotted adult snow cats and various kittens that are always color point.

The various litters are said to have been born on
Dec 12 2016,
Dec. 22nd 2016,
Jan. 12th 2017,
Feb 12th 2017,
Feb 22nd 2017,
April 2nd 2017,

And now there is a new ad for f7 snow Savannah kittens that were presumably born in mid May to June as the ad says they will be available in mid August. Except the ad is mostly copied from an earlier ad and still says the kittens are born Feb 12th and shows pictures of the same kittens that were said to be born Feb 12th.

And there is one ad with picture of 8 week old kittens & the same 2 adult cats and this ad says the cats birth date is April 9th, 2002, and the cats age as 15 years.

I am guessing my kitten’s mom is probably the adult female color pointed spotted cat that is pictured in this person’s advertisements. My kitten was supposedly born Feb 12th, and the adult cats shown in this ad are explicitly said to be the parents of 2 advertised snow savannah kittens who were also born on Feb 12th, same day as my Moggie and his 3 moggie non snow siblings. And both Moggie and this Mom have strong horizontal stripes on the side of the face, small but distinct spots on the side just above the front armpit and generally similar markings and build, except Moggie is not color point. I would post the picture of the adult cats, but I am not sure the etiquette of reposting pictures belonging to someone else.

Anyways.. I began wondering why their cats seem to only have kittens on dates with 2 in them? That seems to be a peculiar coincidence. Do all their cats actually give birth on the 2nd, 12th or 22nd of the month, or is the actual date of birth rounded up or down to the nearest day with a 2 in it? Making me wonder if my kitten even born Feb. 12th?

And why do all the advertisements showing the parents of their kittens show the same picture of the same 2 cats when they obviously would have to have more than 2 parents to produce all the kittens born on the dates shown?

While I was there picking up my kitten I saw 2 snow kittens that look like the kittens they advertise, and a very large male and female snow/pointed cats with spots. As I knew nothing about Savannah's I exclaimed in surprise "Oh his Mom is Siamese!" Thinking OMG his mom is a giant Siamese with spots! I was told the female who had just walked into the room was not Moggies Mom. I was told Moggies mom was "out". But the lack of pictures in the ads showing what must be more than 2 parents is not because they do not have impressive cats they could photograph.

The price in large font for all the kittens is always the same odd number that is well over $1000, but none of the numbers are 0s. However when you read the smaller print of the ads they actually are only asking $250 - $500 for a kitten and in the case of my kitten that was not advertised as being part Savannah, there was the same odd number, but reading the ad they were only asking $25 a kitten.

If I had not gone to the house and met the cats myself, seen happy healthy kittens, and if I did not have a very healthy kitten that was obviously raised with love, the peculiarities in these advertisements would make me feel suspicious and inclined to look elsewhere. A few months ago I was almost tricked into making arrangements to go pick up a Russian Blue cross kitten that the person did not even have -I discovered the pictures were stolen from a website in the UK and were several years old! But I know that is not the case in this situation, and something else is going on.

Why advertise in a way that - to my way of thinking- would probably make a lot of potential adopters/customers suspicious? Why not show the actual parents of the different litters of kittens?

And was my kitten even born Feb 12 or is that just the next day with a 2 in it?????

Why have the large print price in an ad show a price that is 3 to 5 times what they actually ask for the kittens if people read the fine print?

Anyways. Last night trying to make sense of this, I googled the person's name and snow savannah, hoping to find more about their cattery, and although I did not find out anything concrete about Moggies lineage, I did find where the person I got him from is interested in a lot of conspiracy theories.

I guess some people’s way of thinking and priorities will just never make sense to me. But it is nice when someone who thinks different than I do raises really lovely lovable kittens. Sort of a universal common ground. Even if my kitten may have come with pre installed super secret conspiracy/ anti conspiracy spy ware... ha ha yeah.. Moggie may be an android.

Totally explains why my kitten follows me everywhere watching my every move. (I am joking)
 
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Moggieslegacy

Savannah Super Cat
I need to make a couple corrections... sorry I am confused. Too many kittens! All the litters are shown with the 2 adult cats except the Feb 22nd litter which shows 2 snow kittens and no adults. And the Feb 12th litter with parents actually had 3 snow kitten pictures though it is not clear the number of kittens.
 

Moggieslegacy

Savannah Super Cat
OK ...pictures are worth 1000 words and I will probably deactivate these links in a few days. Fair use generally allows reuse of content for the purpose of discussion, so I hope this is OK.

This picture is the only picture the person ever shows of the parent cats. After I came home with Moggie and noticed their other ads I assumed this was a picture of the 2 cats I met as they look similar, but they may not be the ones I met. And I seem to recall the female I met may have had a lighter colored face & body but I may be wrong.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByDQ9QuQRArsSGI1T0ZXSlFfVnc/view?usp=sharing


Moggie and 2 of his non snow siblings

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByDQ9QuQRArsNVNlZ1NiTjQyZVk/view?usp=sharing


Moggies brother was not in the ad and the person said they wanted a bit more for him because he was bigger. I could have gotten him too. Although they were only asking $25 each for the non snow kittens when the person found out I am a jeweler they realized they had seen my work and suggested a trade. I said sure and they chose a necklace from the place online I sell that was over $200 US. They thought I might trade for 2 kittens. I just wanted 1 but appreciated they were not advertising to sell them for hundreds of $ as many people do with ½ something kittens so I said I was happy to trade the necklace for just 1 kitten. Moggies brother wasn’t so much bigger as he was much longer and more Savannahy. He really wanted to come home with me and did not stop trying to interact with me the whole time I was there. I chose Moggie who was running away and hiding under the couch because I had just read about Savannahs and was feeling a bit intimidated and Moggie seemed more like a regular tabby cat and less of a handful. I still worry about his brother though and hope he has found a great home...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByDQ9QuQRArsVUtwaEhtbVRmVFE/view?usp=sharing

4 Ads from April 9-02 to Jan 11 -17

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByDQ9QuQRArsWjVEY0tPRGk4cmM/view?usp=sharing

4 Ads from Feb 12-17 to June 27-17

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByDQ9QuQRArsN0RxczBzT0xSaE0/view?usp=sharing

One of these ads is edited as it contained a screen shot of a facebook page that showed the name of the seller.

Compiling the ads into a collage I see where some of the same pictures of the kittens have been used for litters born various dates.

The person with all these kittens has reposted & commented on a few things seemingly in support of people who believe the earth is actually flat and there is a giant conspiracy to convince the masses otherwise, so some of the peculiarities in these ads may be explained by this person’s general way of thinking about things.
 

Patti

Admin
Staff member
I'm not sure what (if anything?) you are asking. Everything you are saying screams scam to me, but without actually going to the site and looking at the information or speaking to the breeder it's hard to make an informed decision.
 

Moggieslegacy

Savannah Super Cat
Patti, I think I am mostly venting what is going around and around my brain because it doesn't make sense to me. If I was asking something, that would imply I was thinking someone here could give me a definitive answer. For the most part I'm not, but on the other hand it seems the world of savannah breeders is probably a small community and someone might know of this person and recognize them from the description given. I agree the way they present their kittens mostly screams scam,(with the exception of only asking $25 for kittens they could claim was 1/2 savannah and get 10 times more for easily- the cheapest ordinary kitten I have seen advertised was $100, $250 being about average in these parts) but having been to their house and having seen their cats and knowing my kitten, I am 1/2 inclined to think maybe they are just seriously disorganized in their online presence or a little peculiar in how they think it is best to communicate. If anyone reads this who knows about this cattery I would really be interested to learn more..
 
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Patti

Admin
Staff member
Actually, there is a tight community of Savannah breeders, but I think there must be at least two or three times that many breeders who are not plugged into the community, are back yard breeders, or worse - scammers. I don't think anyone has a clue how many SV breeders there actually are, but new ones seem to crop up all the time...
 
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