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Rafiki

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Looking for f2. Male or female. I know the male is probably sterile and that's fine. Something big and breeding isn't a big concern but I wouldn't mind if down the road I decided to go that route.

Looking for somewhere in the socal area but if need be I can go with one out of state if is it a reputable breeder.
F2 males are 100% sterile. No exceptions.
If you are looking for a breeder, you will pay more for the breeding rights. You should also know that you would need the pair. I don't know of any Savannah breeders that will allow you to breed your cat to one of theirs.
 

Rafiki

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I am in SoCal. Rafiki is from Halestone in Huntington Beach.

As others have stated, the size can vary to a ridiculous degree even in the same litter. Mike and Sandy Hale were dead-on as to how big they thought that Rafiki would be. That was a matter of experience based on previous litters from the same pairing and luck. LOL. They made no promises as to the size. Rafiki is a 15 lb F3 female and that was exactly what I was looking for.
 

Brigitte Cowell

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Staff member
In So Cal, Mike and Sandy Hale make lovely F2s as recommended, they are also very honest about what you can expect which is an asset in a breeder. No false promises and years of producing healthy socialized kittens :)

Sue of Amara makes lovely kittens if you go out of state. Also Kelly of Wyldthingz is up in Northern Cal and produces F2 kittens among other generations...
 

RBgodzilla

Savannah Super Cat
Just went through those sites. Yeah, those cats are beautiful! I really appreciate your advise and recommendations.

I understand that we don't know how big a kitten can get and as long as it is bigger than regular house cat then I think that will be fine. :)

I will contact the mentioned breeders and ask about availability. Any thoughts on Amanukats? They seem legit and have responded to our emails, so I was wondering if anyone has dealt with them before.

So my last question (sorry to thread jack. :) how would you distinguish between a breeding cat and just a pet? I was thinking if I bought a female that it is possible she might have babies down the road (if things were planned and with an appropriate male).....is there something different when buying these cats? Or am I just over thinking this? Ha ha.

I will post general questions on the appropriate thread ( I will look for one) but you guys have been really helpful I kept on going. :)
 

Rafiki

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I am not familiar with Amanukats but hopefully some folks here are.

You might want to start a new thread focusing on your quest for your purrfect companion!
 
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WitchyWoman

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So my last question (sorry to thread jack. :) how would you distinguish between a breeding cat and just a pet? I was thinking if I bought a female that it is possible she might have babies down the road (if things were planned and with an appropriate male).....is there something different when buying these cats? Or am I just over thinking this?
First thing you should do is try to find a breeder-mentor who can provide insight into what it takes to breed. Someone who will help you navigate the complexities of preparing for breeding as well as the actual breeding. Females who remain unbred are at risk of developing pyometra, a life-threatening uterine infection. If you have an unbred female for a few years before breeding her, you run the chance of encountering this issue. So before you buy your breeding female, you should already have your breeding plan in place. As has been mentioned before, it is very very rare that a breeder will loan you a stud. So you'll have to have an enclosure built for the male whose urine makes skunk smell like expensive Parisian perfume. Unaltered female urine is nearly as bad. Unaltered males and females will spray urine so without a dedicated space in your house or an outside enclosure for those times when the female is in heat, your house will have an eye-watering, throat closing aroma that not everyone will appreciate.

You will pay a lot more for a breeding female because she should be an excellent example of type. Same for the male. And if you're not in a position to buy excellent breeding stock, why bother. There are already a plethora of people out there producing savannahs that are not contributing to the health and progress of the breed.

Prepare for disappointment and heartbreak too. Not all kittens survive; not all females will breed a male and vice versa. You may invest in breeding cats and get no offspring. The cost of breeding will almost always be more than the money you make from selling kittens. Most hobby breeders (small, home run catteries as opposed to large scale operations) are in the red more often than not.

I'm not a breeder and can't speak to how to select a breeding female. I'm sure our member breeders will chime in.
 

Brigitte Cowell

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Staff member
Just went through those sites. Yeah, those cats are beautiful! I really appreciate your advise and recommendations.

I understand that we don't know how big a kitten can get and as long as it is bigger than regular house cat then I think that will be fine. :)

I will contact the mentioned breeders and ask about availability. Any thoughts on Amanukats? They seem legit and have responded to our emails, so I was wondering if anyone has dealt with them before.

So my last question (sorry to thread jack. :) how would you distinguish between a breeding cat and just a pet? I was thinking if I bought a female that it is possible she might have babies down the road (if things were planned and with an appropriate male).....is there something different when buying these cats? Or am I just over thinking this? Ha ha.

I will post general questions on the appropriate thread ( I will look for one) but you guys have been really helpful I kept on going. :)
Witchy Woman has given you a lot of information. As she said, it's not such a matter of getting a pet and deciding later on to breed. Female cats are NOT like female dogs where you can do that. And breeding cats is harder than dogs in that no, most breeders will not stud out their male cats, and male cats are stinky and nasty to house. So you really do need to decide before you get your kitten what you wish to do. You should NOT decide to breed to "recoup" the money you spend, there's so many unexpected expenses to breeding that this should not be a factor. I did a somewhat similar thing (although I did come from a background of my family breeding horses and dogs) and seriously if I had fully known what I was getting into, I would simply have spayed my girl and been a happy pet owner. it's impossible to fully put in a short post.

I know OF Amanukats but this is not a breeder very involved in our breed group to know well. I do think we've had a cat into rescue from her and she's not taken it back. So maybe more, once you've paid your money, you are on your own there...

So to distinguish between pet and breeder, beyond the complications referred to above... when selecting a pet kitten you truly are looking one that just speaks to your heart. My first Savannah, a pet male, was a gorgeous cat. He was NOT a good Savannah, way too many Bengal attributes. When I chose my second, as a potential breeder, the considerations were different. The Breed Standard had to be a huge factor, as well as health and temperament. It wasn't just about prettiness and about what I wanted...but what the breed should be and what I wanted to produce. it's a different thought process.
 

Patti

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Any thoughts on Amanukats?
Just reading all the hype on the first page turns me off: "We breed some of the largest and most wild looking savannah cats available." Again, there is no way to guarantee size, so this is just an advertising gimmick; "The Savannah Cats are the worlds largest domesticated breed." Completely false - the Maine Coon is the largest cat breed, and there are probably a couple of other breeds larger than the Savannah.

how would you distinguish between a breeding cat and just a pet?
A breeding cat should only be of the best quality. The goal of any breeder should be the improvement of the breed, not to create pets to sell to other people. It has been estimated that only 10-20% of all kittens produced (of any breed) is breeder quality, and only 10-20% of those are show quality. You can find many gorgeous Savannahs that don't necessarily qualify as breeder or show quality, but they are still very special and unique in their own way.