I just wanna say... A random comments thread

[Moggieslegacy]

Sean, I have also wondered about some of the opinions of cat experts.... I think there is some basics they usually get right. Cats obviously enjoy having places to climb and don't like to feel trapped. Having seen non recognition aggression after a vet visit, the role of smell seems a lot more important to cats than humans. But often what I have read various experts saying is different than my own limited experience, or more importantly in contradiction of another respected cat expert...

Marilyn Krieger the Cat Coach says that taking cats out on a harness often results in them getting obsessed wanting out, so she doesn't recommend this. Other cat experts like Jackson Galaxy seem to try to encourage outings as a fun thing to do with your cat. In my own experience with HB getting so desperate to be out, I have to agree with Marilyn Krieger, and much as I would love to get a cat stroller for WC and continue to take HB on leash walks, I am absolutely terrified of taking them out for fun outings, and and having them deciding the fenced yard is no longer enough... I just want them to be happy and live their best lives!

Some experts say with a proper introduction, most cats enjoy a feline buddy, others say most cats are happier having a home to themselves. And like you, I have noticed WC loves been held like a baby, danced with in this position, and will leap and go into the burping baby position and enjoys hanging out like that, all by himself. Bottom line is probably to do what obviously makes your cats happy, avoid or muffle things that they don't like, and if someone is selling something as part of their advice, take it with a grain of salt.

Most of the issues cat experts seem to try to address stem from the fact that cats by nature are not good candidates for domestication ... https://blogs.ntu.edu.sg/hp331-2015-24/how-does-animal-domestication-works/

Random bred cats that descend from long lines of free roaming ancestors, that enjoy the warmth of human homes but have always been their own boss, and free to choose where they live or don't live, are not really within the normal definitions of "domesticated animals"

It seems that cats are smart enough and flexible enough to have figured out how to use human resources to increase their chances of survival, Which is really amazing considering their Near Eastern wild cat ancestors form no observable long term social bonds, and utilizing another species in this way, is completely outside of their inherited bag of tricks... Even dogs basic disposition, and range of behaviors, is not so different to wolves... but there is a lot we still don't understand about cats! Not even the cat experts! The more I learn about them, the more intrigued I become!

 

[Hippy]

Sean, the right after a shower part,
15 minute shower then 1 hour getting dressed.. Because the male thinks I need to smell like him he spend at least a hour rubbing bitting rolling drooling all over me
I can't even cut it short with out hearing him whining till I come back..
On the other hand the female could care less unless you are sitting on the bowl... Then She will sit there till your legs go numb. I have 2 other domestic cats as well but in no way shape or form do they act like these 2

As far as holding them.. My female will allow it for a minute or 2
The male will not, cry like a baby..everything he does or allows is in his terms only..

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[MM3]

Sean, I have also wondered about some of the opinions of cat experts.... I think there is some basics they usually get right. Cats obviously enjoy having places to climb and don't like to feel trapped. Having seen non recognition aggression after a vet visit, the role of smell seems a lot more important to cats than humans. But often what I have read various experts saying is different than my own limited experience, or more importantly in contradiction of another respected cat expert...

Marilyn Krieger the Cat Coach says that taking cats out on a harness often results in them getting obsessed wanting out, so she doesn't recommend this. Other cat experts like Jackson Galaxy seem to try to encourage outings as a fun thing to do with your cat. In my own experience with HB getting so desperate to be out, I have to agree with Marilyn Krieger, and much as I would love to get a cat stroller for WC and continue to take HB on leash walks, I am absolutely terrified of taking them out for fun outings, and and having them deciding the fenced yard is no longer enough... I just want them to be happy and live their best lives!

Some experts say with a proper introduction, most cats enjoy a feline buddy, others say most cats are happier having a home to themselves. And like you, I have noticed WC loves been held like a baby, danced with in this position, and will leap and go into the burping baby position and enjoys hanging out like that, all by himself. Bottom line is probably to do what obviously makes your cats happy, avoid or muffle things that they don't like, and if someone is selling something as part of their advice, take it with a grain of salt.

Most of the issues cat experts seem to try to address stem from the fact that cats by nature are not good candidates for domestication ... https://blogs.ntu.edu.sg/hp331-2015-24/how-does-animal-domestication-works/

Random bred cats that descend from long lines of free roaming ancestors, that enjoy the warmth of human homes but have always been their own boss, and free to choose where they live or don't live, are not really within the normal definitions of "domesticated animals"

It seems that cats are smart enough and flexible enough to have figured out how to use human resources to increase their chances of survival, Which is really amazing considering their Near Eastern wild cat ancestors form no observable long term social bonds, and utilizing another species in this way, is completely outside of their inherited bag of tricks... Even dogs basic disposition, and range of behaviors, is not so different to wolves... but there is a lot we still don't understand about cats! Not even the cat experts! The more I learn about them, the more intrigued I become!

the way it turns out is not only unpredictable but unknown. It depends on so many things. How the kittens are raised, how they were or weren’t socialized. my cat Emma Mae was 12 weeks old when she arrived to me. I waited a few weeks before I began training her to accept a harness and a leach. Now 6 years later she waits at the door for me to put her harness on and even puts her front leg through on her own to get the harness on. She hasn’t ever dashed out the door or ever tried. it didn’t make her want the outside more. But they are all different.

 

[Vito]

Okay I have a question for everyone.
I was watching the show"My Cat From Hell" and at some point the host had said something about how not to carry a cat.
It seems that he did not tell Xander how to not park himself. He likes the baby carry and the baby on the shoulder in the burt
position. I did not start that he did all on own. So how much of the info we get from the so called experts is a bunch of Reindeer
exhaust with pellets tossed in?

Next question has noting to do with this or that. Do any of you right after a shower or a bath as your drying off have you cat
jump on the nearest counter and what to nuzzle you face to put there stamp of ownership back on you? Xander likes to rub
his nose on mine and if I don't let him he will just stand on the counter and wait until I do. Once I let him he will take off to do
other things.

Also I will not be posting any photos of that. Can't run new members off with that photo.

Happy New Year All

OK so don't carry your cat??? Try telling that to Vito when he jumps from the floor onto your shoulders and won't budge even as you try to go about your business, haha. He drapes himself across your neck and shoulders and isn't to impressed if you try to put him down. Also the bath/shower thing, Vito always likes to lick you all over afterwards, as you say it's like their putting their stamp of ownership back on to you.
Happy new year to you, Bella and Xander.

 

[Vito]

One of those days

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Hi hippy, your guys look inseparable, lovely pics as usual

 

[Hippy]

They have there moments but yes like little book ends

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[Moggieslegacy]

MM3... I wish we could figure out what the variables are, before taking our cats out on a leash! Or notice the signs early on and do what we can to not encourage this turning into an obsession. Kind of like being able to know if you have a good chance of becoming an alcoholic before deciding to take that first drink.... It might be interesting to start a thread on cats that do or don't get addicted to outside time, where we can compare notes and see if there is any patterns. And I also wonder if spending time going out in a cat stroller, with no paws allowed to touch the ground, ever leads to the same problems as leash walking... ?

 

[Hippy]

Happy New year everyone
May this year be a happy healthy and prosperous one

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[Vito]

Happy new year to everyone and their Savannah babies, may it be a guid yin for all and I hope everyone & their families stay safe and well.
Look forward to seeing what this year brings in our Savannah community

 

[Sean]

Something very funny happened yesterday. I had forgotten my check book in the house. So I went back in
and almost got run into by Xander heading to the door at mach speed. He tried to hit the brakes on viynal
flooring and went into a high speed skid. It was so funny he had flattened his body down on the floor to try
and stop. For some reason claws don't work all the well on a hard slick floor. He looked like he was on a big
sheet of ice. I only wished I would of had a video camera running.